Thursday, March 01, 2007

Many "nations"? Why not many "countries"?

When Christ returns at His coming (not to be confused with the so-called "second coming," a term our Christendom friends use because God hasn't told them yet that His coming is something that happens on a continuous basis...that is, when Christ comes for someone it could happen anytime, but most likely when that person won't expect it), He will appear before many "nations and peoples and tongues" (for instance, Rev. 10:11, Rev. 5:13, Rev. 20:9). Nations and peoples and tongues imply nationalities, not members of countries, most of which have several nationalities extant. In the context of "country" or even "nation" the political subdivision known as "state" isn't even mentioned in the Bible.

One has to be careful when dealing with words "not mentioned in the Bible." For instance the popular notion of the "rapture" is like this: rapture isn't mentioned in the Bible and in fact John 17:15, which are Christ's own words, make the point of a rapture, any rapture, moot: there isn't going to be a removal of believers to heaven, PERIOD! There is a good reason the word "state," in the context of political subdivision also known as country, isn't mentioned either; instead the subdivision of "nation" is mentioned as above and many other times, and perhaps that is because the political subdivision known as "state" or "country" as we know it today will no longer exist.

If this is true, and I don't see why it wouldn't be, since the so-called Gog-Magog war mentioned in Rev. 20:8 (and Ezekiel 38) has Satan deceiving the nations which are in the four corners of the earth,...,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." (Rev. 20:8-9, KJV). Afterwhich, the Great White Throne Judgment, and the fleeing away of the earth and heaven at which "no place was found for them".

There is a confluence of people who believe in the rapture/seven year "great tribulation" and in the Gog-Magog war occuring at the end of this erroneous time period on the plain called Meggido (the "Battle of Armeggedon") which is in present-day Israel. These folks believe the forces that God will vanquish are made up of first and foremost Russia and the Arab states; on the other hand, these forces are fighting the US, Israel, and (I'd like to hear them explain where it says this in the Bible) China (Is China even mentioned in the Bible? For that matter, is the US?). But of course this isn't what the Bible says. The Bible clearly says that nations (meaning members of nationalities) from the four corners--literally, from all over the earth--will surround the saints and the beloved city which is clearly spiritual Jerusalem (not the actual Jerusalem we know of today, which is likened to spiritual Sodom and Egypt, "where also our Lord was crucified"), the home of the overcomers mentioned throughout Revelation 2 and 3--that is, the elect. Furthermore, though the Plain of Meggido is large, is it large enough to hold the billions and billions of people past, present, and future who will, according to them, side with "the anti-Christ" in order to defeat "Israel, the US, and China"? Not only that, but is there anyplace on earth large enough to hold this number of people for the purpose of battle, as we know battle? Finally, Ezekiel 38 and 39 talks about the Gog-Magog War occuring in the context of "Israel" being in a state of "unwalled villages". Clearly, today's Israel is anything but unwalled! And even if their notion that when "the Anti-Christ" returns to make peace with Israel is true in the first three-and-a-half years of this erroneous seven year period, knowing how people are and how fearful Israelis are today (to the point where they want to nuke Iran just because they think Iran might be developing nukes...but on the other hand they couldn't even defeat Hezbolla...I'll get to that in a minute), does anyone really believe that even if some god-like figure achieves some sort of peace there that the average fearful Israeli will want these walls taken down, and that the Israeli government, being like any other bureaucracy, will get the walls taken down, not to mention all those checkpoints they've put up, in the rest of the three-and-a-half years all the while with the rest of the earth dealing with boils and sores and earthquakes and the most unimaginable weather conditions, not to mention constant wars and the like? What do they think is happening here, some intafada?

So there is a reason God has said many nations, not countries, not states. It is because politics and military-industrial complexes and governments and armies will have nothing to do with this. It will be all nationalities, all peoples, and all tongues who fight the saints (who, BTW, will also be from all nations, peoples, and tongues). This means Russians AND Israelis. Nationalities from the European Union AND the United States, which is, after all, a country of many if not all nations. This means Arabs AND Chinese. And all Africans and all Asians and all Latin Americans and all Pacific Islanders and all aboriginals and all Europeans and all peoples, nations, and tongues. On BOTH sides! Just as all nations will be represented in the elect, all nations will be represented in the second death, in the Great White throne Judgment, and in the Lake of Fire, where they will be purified as God, the consuming fire, burns the stubble (the sins and other impurities) out of them. After that, they will join the elect in the aftermath of the marriage supper and will be all in all with God, who will wipe away their tears (Revelation 21).

Where did these tears come from? Who would all these people have tears? Because these are the believers who were raptured from so-called "new world order persecution"? From "new world order re-education chambers and concentration camps"? What i want to know is why would believers, having just been married to the Lamb, have tears? NO! people, the tears are not those of the overcomers! The tears are from those who have just come out of the Lake of Fire! Don't you think that those who have had their sins of pride and vanity and belief in their own free will--you know, trying to be like the Most High?--forcibly removed from them were a bit upset that all their machinations and hubris was for nought? I'll tell you that if that which charms me most was forcibly removed or burned out of me I'd be in a fit of tears!

So, yes! Hallelujah, GOD WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND! (1 Timothy 2:3-4) So yes, hallelujah, "that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER THE EARTH (that is, the dead); and that EVERY tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11).

Deborah Lagarde

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