Sunday, August 12, 2007

No Rapture, Part 3

Well, "Secret Rapture" is at it again with his or her wanting me to go to his or her website. This person loves to spam this site, but what the heck, if it serves to show the difference between spiritual discernment and strong delusion.

7. John 19:30-- “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” (He died).

8. Luke 23:46-- “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” (He died)

9. Mark 15:37-- “And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.” (He died)

10. Matthew 27:50-- “Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.” (He died)

Do you get the picture yet? Christ died, like everyone else has or will. The difference is that He was also resurrected, which fulfilled the words of the prophets. Now, if anyone would have had a right to be “raptured” it is Christ, right? But EVEN CHRIST DIED! What makes any of you rapture-lovers think you deserve to be “taken” alive into Heaven, what with the fact that you will have to be taken there with the same corruptible bodies you have now?

11. John 3:13-- “And no man hath ascended into Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of man which is in Heaven.”
Do I really need to explain this one again? See number 1 above.

And, now, for the reason that basically closes the case!

12. John 17:15 and 20-- Here, Jesus is praying to His Father in the garden the night before He is crucified. "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest protect them from the evil one." "Them" refers to the disciples who are waiting for Him. Verse 20: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word." This means all subsequent believers. That is, this applies to all those who now think they are going to be "raptured".

But for those whose thick heads refuse to let them believe Jesus cannot lie, cannot say what actually will happen, and cannot actually be God, here it is again, with emphasis: JESUS SAID NO RAPTURE! NO ONE WILL BE TAKEN "OUT OF THE WORLD" JUST AS NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD!

NO Pre-trib rapure. NO Post-trib rapture. NO mid-trib rapture.


Deborah Lagarde


Secret Rapture said...

Deb: Yes, I'm a spammer.

I'll spam you again here so others can find me:

My inaugural address at the Great White Throne Judgment of the Dead, after I have raptured out billions! The Secret Rapture soon, by my hand!
Read My Inaugural Address
My Site=

As far as no Secret Rapture:

Within months, if not years, by my hand, we will be in the post apocalyptic world of 'Jericho' on TV! The proof is in the pudding! Stay tuned!

And they will not be taken anywhere. They will just be mounds (billions) of corpses that I will lay out on the ground.

Josh said...

hi, have just been browsing your posts about there not being a rapture. I'm fairly sure there won't be a rapture too. Your arguements are interesting, though it is often hard to prove that something won't happen... Like proving a negative. The best way must be to correctly interpret those texts which seem to point to a rapture, and show the correct meaning of them.

As an aside, i have to say i am quite worried about the header at the top of your page about no hell for eternity. As much as we'd like to believe that all people will be saved, the bible is clear that, though God does not wish anyone to perish, those who continue to rebel and will not declare that Jesus is Lord, will go into everlasting destruction (which was originally set aside for the devil and his angels).
Christ's sacrifice is sufficient to cover every person's sin in all of history, but it will only cover those accept Jesus as their Lord.


Deb Lagarde said...

Josh, I am sure you have more important thigs to worry about than whether I interpret "hell for eternity" differently than you do. Yet, 1. the ancient Greeks (the language of the New Testament) had no word for "eternity" and, in fact, "eternity" (as I explained in an earlier article) is the same as the mathematical construct of "infinity" but used in terms of time. So that like "infinity", "eternity" is a construct to help us fallible humans understand time with the hope of somehow approaching how God sees time. God lives in and out of time (or in time and also in "timelessness"...having invented time for human use by virtue of creating the sun, moon and stars which gives us a reference point for times and seasons, but not needing time Himself). Infinity, in terms of mathematics, is the tangent of a 90 degree angle or division by zero (which we call "undefined")...eternity works the same way, it is "undefined" time, or perhaps "timelessness"...

2. In the Bible in several places is the term "forever and ever." If, supposing, the word "forever" (as in condemnation "forever" or "forever in hell") means "eternity" (as in "hell for eternity"), then what about the OTHER ever, as in "forever AND EVER"? Does it mean "eternity and eternity"? I doubt it. Actually, forever and ever might mean (as L. Ray Smith defines it...not that he's a Bible scholar but I think he's on to something just in this case), "for an age and another age." that is, this, the "Church Age" and the next age, Christ's "Millennial Reign." There will be another age (and maybe even another after) after the Millennial Reign.

3. Thus, "hell for eternity" might mean "Hell for the Church Age and the Millennial Age." after that, only God knows.

4. In Revelation chapter 20 it is said that "hell and death will be thrown into the Lake of Fire." If "hell" IS the "lake of fire," how can hell be thrown into itself?

5. In the Lake of Fire is "fire and brimstone." This could be interpretted as "Fire=God" (for God usually presents himself, as to Moses, Job, the Israelites, etc. as fire), and "Brimstone=Sulfur". Sulfur, if you pick it up in your hand...does it burn you? Hardly. Sulfur, by the way, is a cleaning agent.

6. NOWHERE do I dispute that there is a "hell." I just dispute the "hell for eternity" notion.

Deborah Lagarde