Thursday, January 15, 2009

God "Hooks" Israelis, Palestinians

Sounds like a New York Daily News headline. Oh, and, BTW, though the notion of hooks used by God is lightly referenced from Ezekiel 38 (Gog Magog War, also see Revelation 20), the Ezekiel reference has little to do with the Gaza war, because the Gog-Magog War (which is what this event is popularly called) takes place under the circumstance of unwalled villages in the vicinity of Jerusalem.

Folks, today, there are simply NO UNWALLED villages in the vicinity of Jerusalem! There are so many walls in and around Jeruslaem that it is nearly impossible for Palestinians to get from one end of East Jerusalem in the West Bank territory to the other in under half a day, because of all the checkpoints. So, what we aer witnessing in Gaza is not the beginning of the Gog-Magog War, Armegeddon, or anything other than just the usual insanity there...insane, because the Israelis and Hamas keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results!

But the other night my husband, staunchly pro-Israel, and me, staunchly pro-Palestinian Christian (meaning, for the dullards out there on your Megaphones, I am not pro-Hamas! Tell that to your local GIYUS goons), had an argument. May the Holy Spirit one day open his eyes as to the nature of what kind of Jews run Israel (will "Anonymous" sue me over this?), and who the Palestinians are really descended from, despite their almost mass forced conversion to Islam before the Crusades. But until then, my husband sees the "Arabs" there (don't Arabs come from Arabia?) as terrorists in general. Same as most American Christians, even those who do not call themselves "Christian" Zionist. May the Holy Spirit take the strong delusion from him and make him love the truth. That is, the Truth, as in "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life". But, until then, he will hate Islam and everyone who believes in it, and of course, those who don't but are associated with it. May the Holy Spirit one day shine the light of the truth of the nature of Talmudic Judaism, anti-Christ, on him. But, until then...

So, we argued, and, without going into all the gory details, we reached the conclusion that this Gaza war was God's Will. That God had put hooks into the Israelis and Palestinians to go to war. We don't need to approve or disapprove or like it or not like it. God's got His reasons. May the faith in Jesus Christ prevail in the Palestinian and Messianic Jewish Communities!

3 comments:

Brian said...

Hi there. I found your blog by going round the world. My journey started at Smoking Mirrors, and one link led to another, if you know what i mean. I dont have anything to add to your post "Truth not Heresy". What I would like to comment on is the words in your header, part of which says... "Hell for eternity" is a man-made MYTH! So is "the Rapture! (John 17:15 and 20) Christ died for ALL SINS for ALL TIME for ALL CREATION. Isn't God truly awesome and worth serving?...

I agree with you about the rapture thing, but, hell being a "man-made myth". You go on to say that Christ died for all sins for all time, for all creation. Now let me get this right.... it seems to me that what you are saying is, we can go on sinning and comiting the most evil crimes and not even worry about it because there is no such place as hell?????? and Jesus will forgive us because he died on the cross for our sins.

I too believe that Jesus died for our sins, but I also believe, if we don’t stop sinning, or at least try to stop, then we miss out on the salvation offered to us through his cross and resurrection. If we miss out on the salvation bit, then where do we go if not to heaven? Remember, nothing impure can enter in to heaven. So it begs the question, where does a soul that has not repented before dying go to? I believe in purgatory, the place where souls remain until they have expiated their sins and can go to heaven. That is not to say that Jesus’ death was not enough to save me. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, the only sacrifice, capable of atoning for sin. Anything you or I could offer for our own sins would have been imperfect, that’s why we needed Jesus. “The spotless Lamb”. Purgatory is the place we go to to get cleansed of what remains of that imperfectness, other wise we could not enter into heaven. But there is still a ‘hell’ the place souls end up in if they do not repent. I can’t see why you have a problem with this, this is basic Christianity. What you are saying is that all I have to do is believe in His name and I will be saved. I can keep on sinning and doing what ever I want so long as I believe that he died for my sins? This seems a bit odd to me. If you do not believe in hell, then it must naturally follow, that you do not believe in the existents of the devil. Maybe you could explain all this to me…I have a bolg over at http://the-irish-catholic.blogspot.com/ Please feel free to visit. There is a link that you should have a look at. It will be able to explain all this much better than I can. The link in question is.. Catholic Apologetics, you can find it on the right hand side in the links list.

Deb Lagarde said...

Brian, this is hard to explain so bear with me. Yes, I believe there's a "hell" but the word "hell" (esp. in the NRSV Version, where it is cited at the bottom) means "Hades" and "Hades" is "the grave." EVERY PHYSICALITY (that is corrupted, meaning everyone's physical body) goes to the grave. The Bible says the body goes to the grave; the spirit goes to God, and the soul is "hidden" (the Catholics call the place "purgatory"...BTW I used to be Catholic). so that is one component of "hell" and the other is the Lake of Fire. What most Christians call "hell" is "the Lake of Fire." Yet, in Revelation 20, "hell and death are thrown into the Lake of Fire." So how can "hell", if "hell" is the Lake of Fire, be thrown into itself??? Second, read Timothy 2:3-4 where it says "God will have all mankind to be saved." Are you saying God's Will will NOT be done? By God, no less? Third, in Phillippians 2:9-10, it says that above the earth, on the earth, and below the earth "every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord..." "Shall" implies permission, not free will, and, further, if Christ died to save mankind, don't you think God has a plan (ongoing) to not waste a drop of His blood? In other words, by the time each soul that ever existed from Adam onwards, has been cleansed in the Lake of Fire (using brimstone--sulfur--which, as you know, DOES NOT BURN to the touch...ever picked up a lump in science class?), it will by God's Will proclaim Jesus is Lord, which is a requirement for salvation, no? In the Catholic Church, isn't it so that Baptism by water, blood and fire are allowed? Fourth, the notion of "eternity" DID NOT EXIST in the language of the ancient Greeks, thus the Bible term "eternal" or "eternity" is a mistranslation. the word is is "anion" which means "age". Did you know that this is the Church Age, and will be followed by the "Messianic Age" (the so-called 1,000 year reign of Christ) followed by "the end times" where Satan is "loosed" from the bottomless pit to make the so-called "Gog-Magog War" referenced in Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20. Christ wins of course and the time of Judgment begins, and the New Heaven and New Earth (Revelation 21). That is why the term "forever AND EVER" is used! If "forever" means "eternity", then why an extra "ever"? Do you means there is time after eternity? No. Eternity is in fact "timeLESSness" and the only entity that can exist in timelessness is God, because "timelessness" means outside of time, not in time (this is why God is "was, is, and will be"--God's time frame is NOT like ours! He exists in the before time, now, and in the future because He creates time like He creates everything else.) Thus, when His children (us) come to be with Him, we too will exist outside of time (that is why the four beasts in Revelation can be continuously praising Him).

I am NOT a unitarian universalist despite what you might think, further, while there is some form of universal reconciliation for man this does NOT include the angles who fell with Satan. And, finally, NO! I DO NOT THINK ONE CAN KEEP ON SINNING! though I do believe that all things get reconciled to God, that DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE THAT all mankind is there at the "marriage supper of the Lamb" and that "all humans" get to be called Children of God. the bad is wiped clean from unbelievers and sinner, and the good is refined (by the fire and brimstone), but these folks STILL get judged and judged for their sins (sin, you know, means separation from God, which is where the Spanish "sin" meaning "without" comes from; in French it is "sans", same thing) for as long as God needs...could be a second or an hour or a year of our time. think, if you are a sinner or unbeliever, would you like to be cleansed in fire and sulfur for an hour? I didn't think so! Also, if you think God punishes unbelievers for "eternity" using torture, then according to you, all pre-Christ people, INCLUDING MOSES, ELIJAH (who was NOT "raptured" read Hebrews Ch. 11), EZEKLIEL, JEREMIAH, and especially JOHN THE BAPTIST, are now in hell for eternity because they did not receive the Holy Spirit! Do you really believe that???

Read my other posts please where I explain this in greater detail. the reason I call it a "man made myth" is because most mankind has not rightly discerned the meaning of hell, and the meaning of eternity. Read especially my post about the connection between eternity and the math concept of infinity...since God created math, after all, and left it for Newton and others (for instance, the Arab Muslims) to figure out.

Brian said...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm