Saturday, July 28, 2007

No Rapture, Period, nein, nada, non, nyet, no, no, and no! Part 1

In my e-book, soon to be published on my research site here, I will be listing many, many reasons the Bible supports the fact that there will be NO RAPTURE of the Church at any time, with my final reason being the only one that matters: Christ Himself said there will be no "rapture" of the Church. I will list some of the reasons on this blog in this new series of blog posts, beginning today.

1. Hebrews 9:27-- “And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

There is a KJV reference to Genesis 3:19 confirming this: “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” And by the way, lest anyone think that “appointing men to die” does not apply to supposedly “raptured” Enoch and Elijah, I refer you to Hebrews 11: 5 and Hebrews 11:32...well, basically, the entire chapter. Verse 4: “By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain...” Verse 5: “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death...” Verse 7: “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet...” Verse 8: “By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out...” Verse 11: “Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed,...” Then finally in verse 13 it says (despite the fact that Enoch did “not see death”): “These ALL DIED IN FAITH, not having received the promises...” Now, in Genesis 4:21-24 it is said that Enoch lived 365 years and then God took him, God “translated” him, and Enoch “walked with God” and nothing is mentioned about Enoch dying. But then why would Hebrews claim otherwise except for the fact that in being translated, God took Enoch away from where he was and moved him somewhere else so that, not being found, folks could have presumed him to be dead. Or perhaps Enoch's “walk with God” was not physical but spiritual. Yet, ALL MEN are appointed to die, ALL MEN return to the dust, and all these died in faith. Hebrews 11:32 applies the same rule to Elijah (and all the prophets) in verse 39 where even Elijah “received not the promise.” If he did not receive the promise (redemption through the blood of Christ), then by what justification could he then be raptured?

And lest you still think the Bible contradicts itself (to borrow a phrase used often by former President Nixon...”let me make one thing perfectly clear”...the Bible NEVER contradicts itself!), try this from the mouth of Christ Himself: “And no man hath ascended into Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of man which is in Heaven.” (John 3:13) Did you get that? Christ just said that neither Enoch or Elijah were “raptured” into Heaven, because they never came down from Heaven!

2. Proverbs 10:30-- “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.” (KJV)

3. Job 14:12-- “So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.” (KJV)

Who said you couldn't prove the rapture was false using the Old Testament? Proverbs says that the righteous shall (“shall” implies permission as it is a form of the helping/linking verb “may”) never be removed. From where? The second part of the verse implies from where: the earth. Since permission implies a permitter, and since that “permitter” is God, it is meant that God “shall” never remove the righteous from the earth. This means the “righteous” will not only not be “raptured” but it also means the place the “rapture” is taking them to, heaven, is NOT where the righteous are going! Further, it is also implied in the second part of the verse that the “wicked” forces of the “anti-Christ” so dreaded by the rapturists WILL NOT be allowed to take over!

Job says that when a person dies (see verse 10 for the context), they will not rise from the grave, and shall not awake, until the heavens are no more. Contrary to folks who claim that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 means that “the dead in Christ” shall rise first BEFORE the “second coming” of Christ, this verse of Job is just another “witness” that the hope of the rapturists is false hope, because no dead shall rise until, as it is said in Revelation 21, a new heaven and a new earth will come into being (“til the [old] heavens are no more”).

Part 2, soon.

Deborah Lagarde

Sorry About the Lack of Posts

June 5, 2007 was my last post? Good Grief!

But I have been busy putting up my new website, "Something Happening Here," devoted to issues related to moving or considering moving to a rural and/or remote location from the city or suburbs, to the hills, mountains, forests, and deserts. The site is: Check it out!

I plan on posting the work I have been doing in writing about Biblical arguments to debunk the rapture. What with John Hagee's Christians United for Israel conference in Washington DC, Max Blumenthal's video (check the link at What Really Happened...I did not link to the actual video, and, if you can't find it there, google it with "CUFI") at the conference with him interviewing attendees about their End Time beliefs, and Hagee's calling for the nuking of Iran (I heard him do this on his "John Hagee Today" show on Daystar Network, in a sermon at his Cornerstone Church), I feel an even stronger urge to do so (urge! more like God's will!). So, my next post will begin that particular series of article posts.

The other thing I wanted to bring up about Hagee's conference is that NOT ONCE (according to those who attended the conference or wrote about it) did Hagee attribute to Christ anything, although he did mention God. Well, there you have it! It is, IMHO, easy to talk about God or attribute to God. What makes as Christian a Christian, however, is attributing to Christ. No one will persecute you for praising is the upholding of Jesus Christ, however, that will get you persecuted, as Christ foretold in many places in the Gospels. In fact, if Hagee was really honest and not just another Churchian, he would out and out renounce Christ and become a Jew, because the only thing that matters to him is Israel...Jesus and America be damned, no matter how horribly the Likudniks in Israel (and US) treat Palestinian Christians, as well as potential Christians, i.e. Muslims.