Sunday, August 12, 2007

No Rapture, Part 3

Well, "Secret Rapture" is at it again with his or her wanting me to go to his or her website. This person loves to spam this site, but what the heck, if it serves to show the difference between spiritual discernment and strong delusion.

7. John 19:30-- “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” (He died).

8. Luke 23:46-- “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” (He died)

9. Mark 15:37-- “And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.” (He died)

10. Matthew 27:50-- “Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.” (He died)

Do you get the picture yet? Christ died, like everyone else has or will. The difference is that He was also resurrected, which fulfilled the words of the prophets. Now, if anyone would have had a right to be “raptured” it is Christ, right? But EVEN CHRIST DIED! What makes any of you rapture-lovers think you deserve to be “taken” alive into Heaven, what with the fact that you will have to be taken there with the same corruptible bodies you have now?

11. John 3:13-- “And no man hath ascended into Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of man which is in Heaven.”
Do I really need to explain this one again? See number 1 above.

And, now, for the reason that basically closes the case!

12. John 17:15 and 20-- Here, Jesus is praying to His Father in the garden the night before He is crucified. "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest protect them from the evil one." "Them" refers to the disciples who are waiting for Him. Verse 20: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word." This means all subsequent believers. That is, this applies to all those who now think they are going to be "raptured".

But for those whose thick heads refuse to let them believe Jesus cannot lie, cannot say what actually will happen, and cannot actually be God, here it is again, with emphasis: JESUS SAID NO RAPTURE! NO ONE WILL BE TAKEN "OUT OF THE WORLD" JUST AS NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD!

NO Pre-trib rapure. NO Post-trib rapture. NO mid-trib rapture.


Deborah Lagarde

Wednesday, August 01, 2007

No Rapture, Part 2

If you haven't seen Max Blumenthal's "Rapture Ready" video taken at the Christians United for Israel conference last week, here is a link: here

You folks who believe the rapture eschatology do realize that by doing so, you are wishing for war, death, and destruction in the Middle East, don't you? After all, if the Middle East has peace that must mean the "Anti-Christ" is here, and we mustn't have that, mustn't we?

Anyway, to continue with the reasons the rapture won't happen, from the Bible:

5. Matthew 24: 37-39: “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall the coming of the Son of man be.”

This is another popular set of verses the rapturists use to “prove” the rapture. Bad choice of verses! For whom was taken away? The wicked, that's who! Again, the fact that they DIDN'T KNOW WHEN they would be taken away UNTIL the flood came is a type, sort of an analogy, as to the coming of Christ. That is, they won't be taken away UNTIL a “type” of “flood” comes that will take all wickedness off the earth...which is at the time after Christ's “millennial reign” and the battle with the loosed Satan and his forces against the saints who will reside with Christ on earth.

I will return to Matthew 24 and 25 later when I discuss the so-called “Great Tribulation.” One must understand that the “rapture” and the so-called “Great Tribulation”, the so-called “end times,” the so-called “Second Coming,” and the popular notion of “hell for eternity” are all bound up into one gigantic heresy that nearly 99% of Christians not only believe in but cherish. I do not know the exact number or percentage, but a large majority of Christians seem to think that the “end times” period is coming very, very soon. Most believe some sort of variation on the notion that some “anti-Christ” from the United Nations or the European Union or the Papacy will make peace with Israel for 3 ½ years, after which he will “sit” in the newly rebuilt “temple” in Jerusalem as “the most high God,” after which all hell will break loose. No one “except those who have the Mark of the Beast” will be able to buy and sell...that sort of thing. I know Christian fundamentalists who refuse to use a computer and the Internet because that is how “the anti-Christ” will control everyone (some claim that “www” stands for “666”!) and in a cashless society everything will be bought and sold over the net. I will prove that since before John wrote Revelation, anti-Christs were (as it says in 2 Thessalonians) “already” at “work”! There will be many “tribulations” that will steel the called and chosen, which only the chosen will overcome...there will NOT be some “great tribulation” lasting “seven years.” And I bet you are dying to know who “Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots” is. It is NOT the Pope of Rome!

6. Luke 21: 36- “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things [the so-called “great tribulation”] that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

This “escape” is NOT a “rapture”! Remember, Christ told that the ones who overcome these trying times will “not an hair of your head perish.” (Luke 21:18) This implies that instead of escaping a tribulation, these will be kept from harm. Also, remember in John 17: “I pray not that thou [Jesus says to His Father] shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL.” And where are we to be kept? Colossians 3:3 tells us: “your life is hid with Christ in God.” Revelation chapter 12 also describes how the overcomers are hid, using symbolism that many Christians believe to be coming physical reality.

That is not to say some sort of “great” tribulation won't happen just prior to Christ's coming. Mark chapter 12 describes some of the events that will be part of this tribulation: wars and rumors of wars (7), nation shall rise against nation (8), earthquakes (8), famines and troubles (8), one shall be delivered up to councils and synagogues [and churches, I presume] (9), brought before rulers and kings for Christ's sake (9), the gospel must be published among all nations (10), family members will rise up against each other (12), the appearance of the “Abomination of Desolation” (14; just what this is I will discuss later), false Christs (22), sun shall be darkened (24), stars of heaven shall fall (25), shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory (26). After these transpire, God shall send His angels to gather the elect (the chosen, from the beginning, by God) (27).

Part 3 will appear shortly.

Deborah Lagarde